Gun discussion

[Mack]

Have you bagged any big ones... i wish we had a rifle season, we can use muzzle loaders and bows and such

[TheLoveTiger]

Nothing of huge size, I am young and was always eager to harvest... but this year I have already said no does and it has to have a decent body with a rack. I have also turned down a few bears, I am a spot and stalk hunter so I usually end up miles away from camp every day, the last time I saw a bear I was 4.5 miles from camp and had no service on the walkie talkie or cell phone, no way would I of been able to get it out before dark. I use to hide where I am from but I really don't care who knows where I play out of now, I live in Upstate NY and I do 95% of my hunting in the Adirondack park, low deer count, but awesome views. I have a few spots where it literally is you VS nature, nothing else around you and 6 miles from the nearest road.

[Mack]

That would be pretty cool to be out there like that, central Indiana here. Ive never seen a bear in the wild, i think it would be cool to hunt them.. is it black bear there too

[Kangaroo]

Since my last post
Australia, zero deaths in massacres, USA, "shitloads"?

still working for you guys?

Random retards should not be allowed access to guns, seems a pretty simple logical/sensible statement ?

[Mack]

Lol, we are under attack by groups of people... dont you think if your nation was at war you would suffer some losses


In case everyine forgot...... there are islam nations declear war upon the USA DERRR

[sXs]

Since my last post
Australia, zero deaths in massacres, USA, "shitloads"?

still working for you guys?

Random retards should not be allowed access to guns, seems a pretty simple logical/sensible statement ?

Since you last post USA 325 mill population Australia still no more than a suburb. If you want to get into crime statistics

Rape Australia 5% more per million than US
Assault Australia 7% more than US

Australia is more violent since the gun ban.

"It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner." http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

And just so you know, Australia my second home. Fiancé' is Australian. Once she finishes school here in the states, we will probably end up back in the land of the 3 day weekend. Coff's Harbour, Canberra, or Sydney.

[sXs]

I do not wish to get into which country is better or the playground "My daddy can beat up your daddy" type argument.

Australia's gun ban came about as a result of a single incident. Australian government used that single incident as an excuse to deprive every law abiding citizen of a freedom, Because of the actions of a relative few criminals, Australians had to give up their property. Yes it is still possible to own a gun in Australia if you want to jump through hoops and are willing to pay the extraordinary expense imposed by the government.

Here is one little fact that blows a hole in your argument. There are as many if not more firearms in Australia now than there were when the "gun ban" was initiated in 1996. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-14/australians-own-as-many-guns-as-in-1996/4463150

Study after study shows there is no correlation between gun control laws and a reduction in crime. In fact the opposite is true. Where there is more private gun ownership there is actually LESS violent crime.

[Kangaroo]

"Statistics and damn Lies" is a well worn phrase, it's possible to draw any conclusion desired if one only uses the numbers that support an arguement whilst ignoring any that don't.

Specifically to my statement, Zero deaths in massacres in Australia vs shit loads in the US;
Since 1996 the following in the number of incidents in Oz where more than 5 people were killed by firearms = 0
For the US it's a "tad" higher:
Case Year Fatalities Injured Total victims
Sutherland Springs 2017 27 20 47
Las Vegas 2017 59 441 450
Texas First Baptist Church massacre 2017 26 20 46+
Orlando nightclub massacre 2016 49 53 102
Kalamazoo shooting spree 2016 6 2 8
San Bernardino mass shooting 2015 14 21 35
Umpqua Community College shooting 2015 9 9 18
Charleston Church Shooting 2015 9 1 10
Isla Vista mass murder 2014 6 13 19
Washington Navy Yard shooting 2013 12 8 20
Hialeah apartment shooting 2013 7 0 7
Santa Monica rampage 2013 6 3 9
Sandy Hook Elementary massacre 2012 27 2 29
Accent Signage Systems shooting 2012 7 1 8
Sikh temple shooting 2012 7 3 10
Aurora theater shooting 2012 12 70 82
Seattle cafe shooting 2012 6 1 7
Oikos University killings 2012 7 3 10
Seal Beach shooting 2011 8 1 9
Tucson shooting 2011 6 13 19
Hartford Beer Distributor shooting 2010 9 2 11
Fort Hood massacre 2009 13 30 43
Binghamton shootings 2009 14 4 18
Carthage nursing home shooting 2009 8 3 11
Atlantis Plastics shooting 2008 6 1 7
Kirkwood City Council shooting 2008 6 2 8
Westroads Mall shooting 2007 9 4 13
Crandon shooting 2007 6 1 7
Virginia Tech massacre 2007 32 23 55
Trolley Square shooting 2007 6 4 10
Amish school shooting 2006 6 5 11
Capitol Hill massacre 2006 7 2 9
Goleta postal shootings 2006 8 0 8
Red Lake massacre 2005 10 5 15
Living Church of God shooting 2005 7 4 11
Lockheed Martin shooting 2003 7 8 15
Wakefield massacre 2000 7 0 7
Xerox killings 1999 7 0 7
Wedgwood Baptist Church shooting 1999 8 7 15
Atlanta day trading spree killings 1999 9 13 22
Columbine High School massacre 1999 13 24 37

That's a lot of dead and injured, certainly numbers well above zero.

The very next line in your link states "Despite that, the number of gun-related deaths has halved since the gun buyback."
Half is a pretty good number.
Even the base statement that the number of guns is the same should be seen in population context, in 1996 the pop was 18.3M, it's now 24.5M so per capita ownership would, if the assertion is true be down approx 30% and most guns are registered.

I found the below to be a reasonably balanced read in regard to the Australian situation, the US has a completely different culture so what works for us isn't necessarily going to work there or anywhere else, but I sure as hell know where I'd be most comfortable sending my kids to school..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/factcheck/20 ... ur/7254880

[Meliva]

Banning guns wont stop massacres. A gun is just a tool. Some people sadly use it to kill others and do harm-but those individuals are thankfully a minority, but sadly banning guns wont stop that minority from causing harm. There are plenty of other ways to cause massacres. use a vehicle to run people over, make a bomb, set buildings on fire, etc. There definitely needs to be gun laws to try to keep them out of dangerous individuals hands, but just banning guns outright will not stop the small minority from committing massacres.

[Kangaroo]

Banning guns wont stop massacres. A gun is just a tool. Some people sadly use it to kill others and do harm-but those individuals are thankfully a minority, but sadly banning guns wont stop that minority from causing harm. There are plenty of other ways to cause massacres. use a vehicle to run people over, make a bomb, set buildings on fire, etc. There definitely needs to be gun laws to try to keep them out of dangerous individuals hands, but just banning guns outright will not stop the small minority from committing massacres.

That's one view for sure, statistically though I think you missed the point.
One country enacts gun control 21 years ago, zero massacres in the ensuing 21 years.
One country doesn't and 512 people dies in them, a multiple of that injured.

So whilst your view is valid, mine is validated.