The Flying Gang [BLACK]

[Charles Vane]

Fair enough but it has been a very recent development with the naming of HELM as prime recipient.
Before that, there was a huge question mark as to the targets selected and what effect it had on Spain and her interests.

As mentioned, the line can get very thin in certain situations. This was one of those situations.

I think the scope has narrowed considerably.

It sure has..

Not one member of HELM has denied the attacks, and some messages even imply they are behind it and will not be handing the specific individuals over.

[sXs]

Funny thing about casting propaganda cards..... one day they are undercover and the next they are not. Fame is an easy thing to manipulate. No need to hand them all over. We know who a few of them are. That is good enough for now.

[God of hate]

Fair enough but it has been a very recent development with the naming of HELM as prime recipient.
Before that, there was a huge question mark as to the targets selected and what effect it had on Spain and her interests.

As mentioned, the line can get very thin in certain situations. This was one of those situations.

I think the scope has narrowed considerably.

It sure has..

Not one member of HELM has denied the attacks, and some messages even imply they are behind it and will not be handing the specific individuals over.

I could have kept my retaliation of bringing down UK influence to myself. But keep quiet or shout it out, stay in this guild or move to another, even go rogue. It wouldn't matter. In the past, in the moment and in the future I (would) keep getting plundered over and over by the same pirates.

And the one time I exercised my heaven-provided piratey right to retaliate, I see this hypocritical threat to ALL guilds because somebody did to them what they plot for and do all the time.

I vow to ping the whole lot of you till the end of days. And when a ping finally gets through then it will be the sweetest thing!

[Garretjaxx]

pong

[PFH]

ping pong

[God of hate]

too much work to go through the logs boyo. I'll just tell you the names of UK citizens who did a coordinated attack on me way before I attacked the UK. Feniks, Banger, some guy with x in the beginning and end of his name, hmmm... it is easier to just click on the UK flag and you more or less have your list.

You fail to grasp what I was saying. You took the blame for the BD and Consp. attacks on the UK in your message telling Vane to stop targeting others. Both myself and Vane said you weren't the culprit, he based on his knowledge and me based on your responses. You were still adamant that you were the culprit and that the UK already knew because they attacked you. BD and Consp. are both undercover voodoo, so unless you showed the UK your voodoo log showing that you did cast or that you told someone that then ratted on you, they would not know for sure that you did it.

Additionally what I said was if you were the culprit as you say you are, their attacks on you would be retaliation. Your attacks to their attack would a continuation of your casting that you said you did. You contradict yourself. You can't seek retaliation unless you did nothing to provoke an attack from the UK.

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This is getting interesting. I'm glad I have stock in popcorn.

Please don't take this as taking sides on this Danik, but you aren't exactly innocent of bullying either.

DezNutz. Admittedly, I am not bright enough to follow your logic. Or maybe I'm just really old in real life. I enjoyed the brain-twister though.

In this threat to ALL guilds, I don't think anyone can afford to sit on the fence on this one. I don't remember you ever repeatedly plundering me in a coordinated fashion. So I wish fair winds keep your sails always full enough to outrun the dark clouds rolling into Avonmora.

[DezNutz]

In this threat to ALL guilds, I don't think anyone can afford to sit on the fence on this one. I don't remember you ever repeatedly plundering me in a coordinated fashion. So I wish fair winds keep your sails always full enough to outrun the dark clouds rolling into Avonmora.

PIRAT will sweep through guilds one by one causing damage and mayhem to any and all we do not trust or know.

I disagree. I think those that have done nothing and did not participate in this have nothing to worry about. All one had to do is talk to Vane if they had nothing to do with it. All he wanted was information. If you did nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, all you needed to do was talk to him. So a player that did nothing should have nothing to worry about.

I emphasized the one part, as there are quite a few players and a couple of guilds that are highly reputable and do not make foolish actions. They paid no mind to this. I consider myself one that paid no mind for several reasons. I only showed interest because I suspect that those that hit the UK, also hit the USA and the other port holding nations in Avonmora and wanted those responsible to pay.

So what were you worried about. A player being treated unfairly. For someone who has played as long as you have, I would expect them to know by this point that a veteran player such as Vane knows how far to take things. He like the other veteran players aren't here to make players leave. A growing player base is important to the games success.

Additionally, if a newer player(s) did do something without understanding the consequences, I don't expect the more experience players in the guild or the guild as a whole make an effort to cover up their actions. Something of this nature could have been discussed and worked out. Even if the player(s) were going to be hit, it would be a good learning point on a variety of things. Hiding or taking the fall for another player(s) only in the end hurts the other player(s). They learn nothing other than that someone will cover for their poor decisions.

[God of hate]

Deznutz. You are too smart for me. You see so many levels to this.

To me, it is black and white. There have been coordinated attacks against me by the same group of pirates over and over again. The one time I decide to hit back, they send mass messages threatening everyone they will "sweep through guilds one by one causing damage and mayhem". Very plain English to me what they intend to do to every guild if they don't find out who.

to any and all we do not trust or know. To someone who has been attacked over and over, why should I care they trust me? Whether they meant to or not, they were asking Avonmora to bend the knee. Anyone who doesn't is an excuse for them to hit.

I guess because I already said bend the knee, I feel the best way to end this would be to analyze your words for a change in this light... I think you are one of these two:
1. You should change your name from DezNutz to Jon Snow Or
2. You are very smart... as smart as Lord Baelish and are using this opportunity to bend the knee more so as not to get attacked for a longer while by these cry babies who mass message threats the moment some small player didn't care how small he was and decides to hit back.

[Most Lee Harmless]

Folk need to read Vanes threats and understand them : they were not a polite appeal for information : they were a threat to attack any and all people, any and all guilds and any and all nations until some-one gave him information. Vane is not Avonmora's policeman : he is a pirate. I dont even know why he is so concerned about the UK, or any other nations business but maybe that black flag he waves so hard aint the only thing wagging vigorously here.

'Nothing to fear if you have done nothing wrong?' : Seriously, you believe that? Hey, I got a bridge for sale, real cheap...

Thats almost as comical as Vane's 'making piracy better for all' line.

Some-one else posted a piece about in another thread about what needs to be done to bring about tyranny : they missed one : 'Create total fear such that neighbor, friend and family will all inform on each other.'

Charles Vane : STASI v.2

[DezNutz]

Folk need to read Vanes threats and understand them : they were not a polite appeal for information : they were a threat to attack any and all people, any and all guilds and any and all nations until some-one gave him information. Vane is not Avonmora's policeman : he is a pirate. I dont even know why he is so concerned about the UK, or any other nations business but maybe that black flag he waves so hard aint the only thing wagging vigorously here.

'Nothing to fear if you have done nothing wrong?' : Seriously, you believe that? Hey, I got a bridge for sale, real cheap...

Thats almost as comical as Vane's 'making piracy better for all' line.

Some-one else posted a piece about in another thread about what needs to be done to bring about tyranny : they missed one : 'Create total fear such that neighbor, friend and family will all inform on each other.'

Charles Vane : STASI v.2

Come on Danik. You are probably one of the wittiest players in the game. A player can be hit at any time in this game for no reason what so ever, are they living in total fear?

I see you are OK with players hiding in the dark and hitting multiple ports for extensive losses in both population and influence all using undercover voodoo, but Vane's attempt to find these players is a horrible fear campaign that just can't be allowed.