The non telling tales of a un descript trader of goods.

[Argo]

dman you are either misunderstanding my point or you dont get it .. lol It is true that attention needs be drawn to create change .. for sure ..

but that is different to the individual wandering around every day all day with dark thoughts and thinking on your mind .. )think murders, mass shootings etc - you think they only had the thought one time?)

You can withdraw to focus on better things to protect your own mental health and therefore those around you .. otherwise in a constant negative mindset you are on a loop and in prison.

Sheeples just follow blindly. Sheeples are into trends. They sit on either/both side/s of the fence.
To have a positive mindset is definitely not sheeples.
Sheeple have little awareness other than what they are fed.

It really is about being aware of the injustices etc, doing what one can to help or not, but not making it the focus of your outraged life .. If you want something to grow - focus on it - lol (don't be rude-lol) Focus on misery and you will get more - take that to the bank!

Why don't politicians focus and promote the good they have done more than the bad they accuse the other side of having done? Why do they want to tear each other down rather than focus on that instead.. seems they may win elections partly based on who can better defame and denigrate the opposition? 'Vote for me bc he did this and she did that" .. ??

[Dmanwuzhere]

lol sheeple look for the he said she said .... they do not focus on the policies... which depending on their alignment either brings about enforced freedoms or eroded freedoms.. if a dem were to campaign with a history of trying to champion freedom they would earn my vote just like a republican whos legislation intended on erosion of freedom would lose a vote.... lol he said she said is sheeple food for sure

to pretend the tragedies around us do not exist in order to be happy is clearly a happiness based on a lie
happiness can be had in spite of acknowledging that there is a huge evil at play in the world
working against that evil is fulfilling
to say it brings bitterness etc is the words of someone who wouldnt know because they have never participated in combatting it

i would never survive your nation because i would be jailed and in protest to the loss of my freedom it would end in a shooting or as many shootings as it took to kill me .... where would i get the guns and powder lol gas pipe nails and chicken shat filled dirt and a few other items.... because i will be armed despite a tyranny deciding i would be easier to control without a gun

[Argo]

Lol:

where did you get this?
"To pretend the tragedies around us do not exist in order to be happy is clearly a happiness based on a lie"

Who is pretending tragedies do not exist? Nor should we turn a blind eye!_ I'm saying we can find happiness regardless of those tragedies - now you seem to agree ?? - that was my first statement - that we can acknowledge them without them running our lives or destroying someone else's just to make a point/win a vote/feel better about themselves/whatevs .. you can still have a positive outlook and get things done .. silver linings and all that if you bother to look for them .. they're always there

There are many miserable folk in the world bc all they think about is misery .. They are surrounded by it,, immersed in it, saturated with it via media - that's the world we live in - What I'm saying is having a true concern and acting on it is far better than just yarping about it - making a big noise all the time - squeaky wheel and all that ..

What about those folk that go from one success to another? Where is their focus? Right - not on negativity - their focus is on success .. It doesn't mean anyone is ignoring others plights .. through your own personal success it is easier to help others ..

"to say it brings bitterness etc is the words of someone who wouldnt know because they have never participated in combatting it"

Hilarious assumptions again ..
So.. you've never met bitter folk? Youve never met anyone who'se energy just makes you want to leave the room bc they are so negative? lol

Everyone has times of bitterness - some longer than others and others iive it all the time - even you - You can appear quite bitter and salty sometimes ... like me, like everyone .. so saying bitterness isnt caused by neg environment is a little out there - lol The negative environment in such a case would be the thinking/mind-set of the bitter person ..

When someone is constantly bombarded with negativity what do you think happens to them?
Anyway.. hows the vudu v lamb show going? lol

[Dmanwuzhere]

me.... posts a song about sheeple

you... I guess it all depends how you choose to look at life, no? then posts a freedom song

me.... lol freedom... yeah australia could teach us all about that ... give up the guns... freedom of speech... internet speech... jokes... lol what havent they given up?... freedom is not a collective of sheeple being policed by a political minority while they smile

you... Lol.. that is SO true -
However,imo ofc, real freedom comes from a state of mind

my point? lol
Frederick Douglass
Harriet Beecher Stowe
Harriet Tubman

they had no freedom in a system dedicated to enslaving them
but going along with the system living inside their mind and putting up with the evil surrounding them was not what made them happy
fighting back and bucking the system despite being around negativity and everything youve listed as warping to the soul
with their very lives forfeit if caught they still established a very impressive method to combat against tyranny and evil people and laws

if you are not free but arent fighting for freedom... i think you are the one so bitter you cant fend for those rights that belong to you
bitter... beaten into submission and just happy for the scraps you are given
and ultimately due to inaction you are supporting the stripping away of any rights that may erode further

the rest of your psycobabble is pointed and without merit
when someone accustomed to giving up their rights begins the discussion with imo and begins to discuss freedom .... its just laughable

[Argo]

All that may be true - it may also not be true -

However, good sir..

I fail to see how - with the need for a gun on hand at all times, is freedom?
Seems like the epitome of enslavement to me - ?? I cant imagine having to do that... to live like that - in fear!

We may have other issues but the need to protect ourselves 24/7 isn't present. We can walk to the shops without too much fear of getting shot. It must be hell.

(I'm not offering critiques of your posts today for free - but so kind of you to do that for me. If you'd like some feedback on your posts it'll cost you one shiny gold one per post.)

[Dmanwuzhere]

lol 25,890,773 people in your nation compared to 332,403,650 in ours and in every gun free zone it reads the same as it does in your nation

higher numbers of

sexual assault
robbery
assault
home invasions
theft

Sexual assault recorded by police increased by 13% from 2020.
Most victims of sexual assault were under 18 years of age at the date of incident (61%).
Property offences have increased in 2021, following decreases in 2020.

In 2021, most homicide and related offences:

were murders 52%
occurred at a residential location 63%
involved the use of a weapon 61%
For victims of homicide and related offences:

the majority (70%) were male
most were aged 18 years and over 87%
More than a quarter (28%) of incidents were family and domestic violence

these are all statistics that are similar with our gun free zones
lol which if you lot like being victims then thats your choice
the part that i dislike the most is my next set of stats
in which queensland (your spot) has the most crime and by triple other territories


The number of recorded victims of sexual assault increased in all states and territories except the Northern Territory, with the largest increases in:

Queensland up 35%
Victoria up 12%
Western Australia up 17%
The number of recorded victims of sexual assault in the Northern Territory decreased by 4%

For victims of sexual assault:

the number of female victims was six times more than the number of male victims
around three in five victims (61%) were under 18 years of age at the date of incident
Most sexual assaults:

were reported to police within a year 69%
occurred at a residential location 67% or, most commonly a private dwelling 63%
did not involve the use of a weapon 94%
Over a third 37% of sexual assault incidents were FDV related

i am betting each of those victims and parents of those victims wish there were guns on hand to prevent their rape
well except the ones who raped heir own family which was an easy third pf them

not everyone wants to carry a gun in the usa and not carrying is a right as well
but our gun free zones look alot like you fookers do in queensland
plenty of victimization with a chunk of it being sexual in nature

but when perpetrators face the risk of having their bodies subjected to the risk of being riddled with bullets
they seem to by and large stick to property crimes
breaking and entering of homes and businesses picked by folks they suppose arent home or a closed business

so in my city and state where you can open carry
if you dont want to carry a gun you dont have to because someone around you is
and you may fall into the statistics and be one of the 500,000 - 3,000,000 people saved by defensive use of firearms in the usa yearly

choosing to carry is simply putting those who do in a stronger position to not be a victim
in your territory where sex crimes are more rampant than any other i can see why your population may not want firearms as they tend to be sickos anyway

i will gladly carry a firearm to defend those who dont
they have a choice to carry or not to carry
but you lot have no choice because you have given up your right to be a free people
since the rona has hit you gave up even more rights and have become basically a people with no rights
where as if the population was armed your freedoms may have eroded at a much slower rate

australia places 11th in the list of highest amount of rapes in nations and the us places 13th (thanks to gun free zones)

a nation of sexual assault must make you proud (but you can go shopping )
because guns are so yesterday and are a sign of not being free

[PFH]

For once in a lifetime im in 100% agreement with you dman. I doubt we would ever disagree or dispute gun topics or laws.

[Most Lee Harmless]

Does make one wonder as to how much gun ownership reduces crime when the USA consistently tops the rankings for both total number of citizens imprisoned as well as the highest incarceration rate per capita.

The murder rate, per capita, in the USA is around five times that of Australia : so, freer gun laws and ownership, rather than reducing the risk of homicide seems to increase it five-fold.

The reported rate for sex crimes in Australia and the USA is almost the same, per capita, and is comparable to other nations with gun ownership restrictions, such as the UK and Belgium. Of course, reporting rates can and do vary, exactly how many attempted assaults are reported is even murkier to enumerate. But even if we assume that a large number of potential assaults are prevented by the possible carrying of a fire-arm by the intended victim, that would indicate that the statistical possibilty of being assaulted remains comparable regardless of the alleged benefits of carrying a fire-arm.

[Dmanwuzhere]

lol we have quite a few democratic states and cities with very strict gun laws all of which are the highest crime producing areas in the states... lol one of which refuses to give exact numbers and self reports.
the point in saying that is pretty simple the gun free model australia might be behind the usa in rapes but instead queensland goes above and beyond in providing the statistics to push australia above the usa in rapes per capita
the same as places like chicago new york and cali to name a few that go above and beyond in producing game changing stats
additionally murder rates are rising possibly above doubling in australia and i will be interested to see the stats sometime next year.

you feel that guns increase incarceration and while you bring no numbers of gun crimes vs any other crime incarceration to support that i most certainly see in the australian model that without guns the citizenry are preyed upon and a high percentage see women as the weaker sex and take full advantage of it..... especially in queensland

the idea an old past his prime papaw can defend his store with any firearm against a thug in his prime makes guns a tool i support i will link one such story and you can find thousands like it ... proof that those who would normally be victims have with a gun equalized that scenario



heres another both are perfect examples of stand your ground laws being effective against armed assailants
a cool thing to note is that the evil and deadly by the black plastics used to make it was defeated by a pistol and a shotgun
both of which are used in far more murders than the ar devil gun 15 lol

[Most Lee Harmless]

Nope.

I did not state that gun ownership increased incarceration rates. I did point out that it did not appear to correlate to a reduction in crime.

I question your argument that gun ownership prevents and/or reduces incidence of criminal acts by detering offenders. If such deterence exists then one would assume statistics such as incarceration rates, murder rates and sexual assaults would show that the USA suffered less than nations with restricted gun ownership.

Cherry-picking percentage increases in crime categories, whilst interesting in indicating trends, has little value in determining overall crime rates and the chances or risks of becoming a victim.

After all, if there were two murders last year in your district yet there are 4 this year indicates a doubling of the crime rate. But so does an increase from 10 to 20, or 50 to a 100.
Thus why using the 'per capita' scale gives a better comparison than raw percentages.

BTW : what does the constitutional basis for unrestricted gun ownership have to do with crime rates? It is for establishing a 'militia' and the maintenance of democracy, not protecting granpaws stockroom. If gun ownership prevents crime via deterence then why are USA crime rates comparable to or higher than nations with restrictions? Unless something in the moral character of the population creates a proensity to offend which is merely moderated by gun ownership to the same level of occurence as nations with more controls?

Your argument should produce less crime, not the same or more. Which is not an argument against gun ownership, it is just not an argument for it.