Gun discussion

[Stan Rogers]

Aye, I believe that to be true. As described to me by an eye witness in Singapore while waiting for a train, a butcher ran out from his shop with a meat cleaver hacking at anyone who came within arms reach. The rule of the game is, the assailant must shout "AMOK AMOK" while continuing his attack as a warning to anyone near. The police come and then shoot the assailant.

True story and the origins of the term 'run amok"

[Kangaroo]

The Port Arthur massacre of 28–29 April 1996 was a massacre in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded. It occurred mainly at the historic Port Arthur former prison colony,[1] a popular tourist site in south-eastern Tasmania, Australia.[2] It was the deadliest mass shooting in Australian history, and amongst the most notable in history


Just sayin

Thank you for using your own argument to prove my point.
As a result of that massacre Australia introduced bans on most automatic weapons and introduced strict controls around all other firearms.
I sold mine back to the government at a profit under their gun buyback scheme.

Massacres since April 1996?
Zero

The only issue geography assists with is border control making illegal gun smuggling much more difficult that it would be in Europe.

[Meliva]

The Port Arthur massacre of 28–29 April 1996 was a massacre in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded. It occurred mainly at the historic Port Arthur former prison colony,[1] a popular tourist site in south-eastern Tasmania, Australia.[2] It was the deadliest mass shooting in Australian history, and amongst the most notable in history


Just sayin

Thank you for using your own argument to prove my point.
As a result of that massacre Australia introduced bans on most automatic weapons and introduced strict controls around all other firearms.
I sold mine back to the government at a profit under their gun buyback scheme.

Massacres since April 1996?
Zero

The only issue geography assists with is border control making illegal gun smuggling much more difficult that it would be in Europe.

Got curious after reading that, did a quick search and this seems to disagree with you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... _Australia
Granted what one defines as a massacre might differ from person to person, but the Quakers hill nursing home fire is one I would consider to be one since the death count was double digit. Regardless the point I wish to make is gun control or bans wont stop massacres, it really just makes it a bit harder to do them but if someone wants to kill several people they can figure out a way besides guns. Arson for example like with the nursing home, or with a car or knife. Or they just look up how to make a homemade bomb and use that. or poison the punch at a party.

[DezNutz]

Completely the opposite of the real life example in Australia.
Banned guns = Zero massacres

Your argument falls apart when you look at countries like France, which has nearly identical gun laws as Australia. Also Guns aren't banned in Australia or France. They are highly restricted to specific circumstances, such as hunting and require special licenses that are time limited.

I beg to differ but, I don't see Kangaroo's argument falling apart in any way considering he specifically mentioned Australia,not France and their rate of gun massacres. I can't get my head around what Australia's geographical location has to do with it as PFH stated.
If I look at the statistics of gun deaths, what it tells me it is you that have no argument in defending the position that guns save lives in a domestic environment.
The more nutters that get their hands on a gun, the higher numbers of gun deaths.

Kangaroo's argument is that banned guns equals no massacres. He used Australia as an example. I countered by using France. France has nearly identical restrictions as Australia. Private gun ownership is basically banned with exception to hunting which requires a special license, just like Australia. I guess those mass shootings that happened in Paris were an illusion? Banned Guns does not equate to no mass shootings.

As Kangaroo also pointed out in a later post, Australia has a major geographical factor that makes it extremely difficult to bring in black market firearms, making Australia's situation slightly different from pretty much every where else, but that doesn't negate that his argument falls apart when you look at other nations with similar gun restrictions. Gun restrictions on law abiding citizens doesn't prevent mass shootings.

[Stan Rogers]

Law abiding citizens are not the ones you have to worry about with regard to mass shootings.
What about all the non-law abiding citizens ? Where do they fit in ?

Keep the guns and just eliminate all the mentally deranged people running around with guns. Problem solved !

[Mack]

The Port Arthur massacre of 28–29 April 1996 was a massacre in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded. It occurred mainly at the historic Port Arthur former prison colony,[1] a popular tourist site in south-eastern Tasmania, Australia.[2] It was the deadliest mass shooting in Australian history, and amongst the most notable in history


Just sayin

Thank you for using your own argument to prove my point.
As a result of that massacre Australia introduced bans on most automatic weapons and introduced strict controls around all other firearms.
I sold mine back to the government at a profit under their gun buyback scheme.

Massacres since April 1996?
Zero

The only issue geography assists with is border control making illegal gun smuggling much more difficult that it would be in Europe.

Are there murders

[Mack]

Law abiding citizens are not the ones you have to worry about with regard to mass shootings.
What about all the non-law abiding citizens ? Where do they fit in ?

Keep the guns and just eliminate all the mentally deranged people running around with guns. Problem solved !

Its life there are crazy people out there they will do crazy things we arnt going to stop that, its kind if impossible so wether it be guns hammmers cars knives whay ever people wil kill its that simple

[Mack]

The Port Arthur massacre of 28–29 April 1996 was a massacre in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded. It occurred mainly at the historic Port Arthur former prison colony,[1] a popular tourist site in south-eastern Tasmania, Australia.[2] It was the deadliest mass shooting in Australian history, and amongst the most notable in history


Just sayin

Thank you for using your own argument to prove my point.
As a result of that massacre Australia introduced bans on most automatic weapons and introduced strict controls around all other firearms.
I sold mine back to the government at a profit under their gun buyback scheme.

Massacres since April 1996?
Zero

The only issue geography assists with is border control making illegal gun smuggling much more difficult that it would be in Europe.

MELBOURNE, Australia — The Australian authorities are treating an abduction and a killing here in Melbourne on Monday, which ended with the gunman dead, as a terrorist attack.

The police killed the gunman after he held a woman hostage at an apartment complex in Brighton, one of Melbourne’s wealthiest suburbs. The woman was rescued, and another man was found dead in the lobby, the police said. The authorities did not immediately identify the victims.

The police identified the gunman as Yacqub Khayre, an Australian citizen with a long criminal record who came to the country from Somalia as a child refugee. Graham Ashton, the chief police commissioner for Victoria State, said Mr. Khayre was known to the police “for a whole range of offending,” including drug and violent crimes and arson.

Mr. Khayre served a significant amount of prison time and was on parole at the time of the attack, the commissioner said. The gunman was acquitted in an investigation of a terrorism plot in New South Wales several years ago, but since then, he was involved in routine criminal activity, Mr. Ashton said. “There wasn’t anything suggesting he was about to do this.”



This guy im sure he wasnt supposed to have a gun

[DezNutz]

The Port Arthur massacre of 28–29 April 1996 was a massacre in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded. It occurred mainly at the historic Port Arthur former prison colony,[1] a popular tourist site in south-eastern Tasmania, Australia.[2] It was the deadliest mass shooting in Australian history, and amongst the most notable in history


Just sayin

Thank you for using your own argument to prove my point.
As a result of that massacre Australia introduced bans on most automatic weapons and introduced strict controls around all other firearms.
I sold mine back to the government at a profit under their gun buyback scheme.

Massacres since April 1996?
Zero

The only issue geography assists with is border control making illegal gun smuggling much more difficult that it would be in Europe.

Are there murders

Yes, there are. The rate of firearm homicides did not show any significant statistical change from before to after the ban in Australia. The number of firearm suicides did show a significant decrease after the ban though.

[Kangaroo]

The Port Arthur massacre of 28–29 April 1996 was a massacre in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded. It occurred mainly at the historic Port Arthur former prison colony,[1] a popular tourist site in south-eastern Tasmania, Australia.[2] It was the deadliest mass shooting in Australian history, and amongst the most notable in history


Just sayin

Thank you for using your own argument to prove my point.
As a result of that massacre Australia introduced bans on most automatic weapons and introduced strict controls around all other firearms.
I sold mine back to the government at a profit under their gun buyback scheme.

Massacres since April 1996?
Zero

The only issue geography assists with is border control making illegal gun smuggling much more difficult that it would be in Europe.

MELBOURNE, Australia — The Australian authorities are treating an abduction and a killing here in Melbourne on Monday, which ended with the gunman dead, as a terrorist attack.

The police killed the gunman after he held a woman hostage at an apartment complex in Brighton, one of Melbourne’s wealthiest suburbs. The woman was rescued, and another man was found dead in the lobby, the police said. The authorities did not immediately identify the victims.

The police identified the gunman as Yacqub Khayre, an Australian citizen with a long criminal record who came to the country from Somalia as a child refugee. Graham Ashton, the chief police commissioner for Victoria State, said Mr. Khayre was known to the police “for a whole range of offending,” including drug and violent crimes and arson.

Mr. Khayre served a significant amount of prison time and was on parole at the time of the attack, the commissioner said. The gunman was acquitted in an investigation of a terrorism plot in New South Wales several years ago, but since then, he was involved in routine criminal activity, Mr. Ashton said. “There wasn’t anything suggesting he was about to do this.”



This guy im sure he wasnt supposed to have a gun

Which massacre did he do again?