Last one to post wins

[Meliva]

There are options to solve this problem, some good, some not so good-but I think you're forgetting that, the regime in Iran isn't exactly popular by it's own citizens-there was literally mass protests recently-I think we can find someone to place in charge who will be friendly to the US. Or at least be smart enough to realize that, staying the good side of the US, will ensure they don't get blown to bits like the Ayatollah. Hell maybe we could carve Iran up-give parts of it to the neighbors if they want it-no more Iran-one less middle eastern country-and the neighbors getting a bit bigger-there are also I forget their name, but that minority group-the Kurds I believe? I'm sure they'd be happy to have their own little nation. Could just bomb them so much, that the nation is unable to survive or have to spend decades rebuilding before they can even think about picking another fight.

I'm no expert, so I can't say what would be the best solution-but those are just a few off the top of my head-so long as we make it to where these guys who have been chanting death to the West for nearly half a century are finally put down and no longer threatening others, I'll be happy if we manage that-if nothing else, at least this war will cripple them for a while, and kick the can of worms of them trying to harm us a bit further down the road-but I'd prefer it be solved NOW obviously.

[Lil Lola]

Yeah that is what I am seeing, just a temporary solution to such a difficult problem. Meanwhile their leaders live in bunkers do they not? Do we know exactly if they have all been eradicated? I know their supreme leader is in a coma or something? Unresponsive they say.

No I know the people have been protesting their leadership. But that is the question. Who among the people shall take their place? Who do they have to lead them? Not exactly opposition parties for them. The leaders vet the candidates to take over. Same old shit different day.

[Meliva]

their first leader I know died-the new one is that guy's son, and it's said he is possibly in a coma. We don't know how much of their leadership is gone-but we do know that, they lost a lot of leaders. I figure once the war is over, one of the conditions will likely be to possible hold an actual election-with US oversight to ensure no cheating, no foul play, etc. Or heck, we could bring the monarchy back-I recall the last Shah of Iran does have a child or grandson who could reclaim the throne-putting him in charge would make him indebted to the US. Again, there are options, and I'm sure the US knows far more then do about that region-and likely will have an idea of how to change the Regime to be more friendly. Or they just bungle it up-regardless, can only hope that things work out-I'm hopeful.

[Lil Lola]

I agree with you there Mel. I do hope it works out well for the people of Iran. I am sorry if I bit your head off the other day. I was rude and I apologize.

[Meliva]

It's all good-we all have off days and can get a bit nasty from time to time , I've been called worse anyway. Thanks for the apology though, no hard feelings.

Edit-I also kinda figured, you misunderstood me, and thought I was implying you were cheering for Iran-which, I figured offended you-so once I clarified what I meant, you'd realize I was not implying YOU were cheering for them, just that some in the West are. So, part of it is my fault since I could have worded things better-so again, no hard feelings

[Lil Lola]

Eh I’ll cheer on the Iranian people who stand up to their murderous despots.

[Meliva]

Yeah-really hope things get better for them too.

[Lachlan]

Don't dodge the Question Lachlan I asked you at the end of my post. Answer it. I'll ask it again here. I'll even ask it again at the end of this post too.

What exactly do YOU damn well suggest that is better than complying with law enforcement-go on-tell me-I'm all ears. Let's see what you think people should do if ICE tells them to come with them.

It's not simply the fact that our allies are not helping us-it's the fact that they are actively UNDERMINING our ability-refusing to let us use their airspace, or use bases that are jointly owned-Basically saying-no you can't use them, and no you can't fly over us to get to your destination-that isn't the act of an ally-a proper ally would, if not willing to join in, would at least say -oh yeah sure-land your planes here to restock and junk-you pay for most of this after all. They can't even do THAT for us-when WE pay for most of the crap in the first place.

And as promised-I'll ask you again-since you seem to think complying with law enforcement isn't a viable solution but have yet to say what is a better alternative.

What exactly do YOU damn well suggest that is better than complying with law enforcement-go on-tell me-I'm all ears. Let's see what you think people should do if ICE tells them to come with them.

I suppose there is not really a good alternative except to get someone else to record you being taken away and the license plate of the car and find out where exactly you are being taken. As you say probably the best course of action is probably to comply with whatever they want you to do (except incriminating yourself of course). I think if there were no witnesses though to you being taken away like they catch you in a secluded area then I'm not so sure. I think as long as say someone you know, such as a girlfriend, family, friend etc knows that you are being taken away then their best course of action should be to go with them. I think if you were just by yourself though you could make it clear by saying verbally that you don't consent to what they are doing and then don't resist as they put you into cuffs and you go into the vehicle. As far as I'm aware from my limited understanding of American law that probably puts you in the best situation legally.

[Lachlan]

Ok-you are indeed very bloody misinformed. Renee good LITERALLY hit the Ice agent-he had bruises on his body-as for why he was standing in front he was walking past it and probably didn't think she was going to try to drive away-you can even hear her wife or partner yell "DRIVE BABY DRIVE" when she was TOLD to get out-after impeding their work. You don't get to harass and make a law enforcements job harder and then cry victim when they decide to arrest you and you DEFINITELY don't get to just drive off and ram into one of them and expect to not get your brain blown out-Alex Pretti-was also told by his own FAMILY NOT TO GO PROTEST-and that if he really DID INSIST he does so- to at LEAST do NOT go ARMED-again-Darwin award-he was on video damaging federal property in an incident a while before this.

And yes-Ice agents are using unmarked vehicles and wearing masks. Probably because a lot of idiots are doing whatever they can to stop them from doing their damn jobs, harassing them, their families, and threatening them.

If a law enforcement tells you to do something-just do it-running will make it worse-resisting will make it worse-fighting back will make it worse-fight it in COURT. Jesus-the way some people think you act like they're going to just draw their gun and blow your brains out for looking at them funny-so long as you are polite, respectful and comply, you're going to have a much easier time. Yes some times there is police brutality-but it's an outlier and an exception not the bloody norm.

What exactly do YOU damn well suggest that is better then complying with law enforcement-go on-tell me-I'm all ears. Let's see what you think people should do if ICE tells them to come with them.

What source says he had bruises on his body? From the two videos I watched that seems unclear. I will attach them here though. That agent probably was hit by the car but it looks unclear from what videos I have seen out there. The agent walks in front of the car stands in front of Renee Good's car at least from the video I watched and then stops right in front before pulling his gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiA6LwgYf0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp7psfEayHE

Sure it would have made more sense for Alex Pretti not to bring his gun along but again, he was fully restrained and pepper sprayed, then had his gun taken off him and only after every danger was removed did the agent shoot him not once, which could be considered an accident at a stretch but multiple times. Now I'm no great expert on American law but that seems to be unlawful.

If you think ICE agents wearing masks is good then I'm not sure why you would think that. If ICE agents do the wrong thing then it is highly unlikely they will be identified and punished for whatever wrong thing they have done. There is a reason why most Police forces DO NOT wear masks. I think if masked police in unmarked vehicles were to roll up beside me when I am walking on the road I think it would be reasonable for me to be scared, panic and wonder what they want. Panic then leads to people doing stupid things sometimes.
Yes of course police brutality is not the norm.

Ice defended themselves Pretti Good if you ask me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ9dlMRglBg about 5:10

Pretti was his own killer for owning a SIG Sauer P320 known to fire from any agitation and struggling with officers
A Georgia jury found the P320 defectively designed, awarding $2.35 million to a plaintiff injured by an unintentional discharge. Another jury awarded $11 million to a veteran injured under similar circumstances.
An old video that proves they are and have been faulty for years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK66ua7-Bm0
Really easy to understand that shoot

Amazingly, even with masks, officers were identified
Jesus Ochoa Border Patrol Agent
Raymundo Gutierrez Customs and Border Protection Officer

Oh my, is that even possible? They must have used a psychic to ascertain their identity

Masks were employed by ICE after multiple incidents of doxxing by protesters that resulted in ICE officers' families being targeted for harassment and threat campaigns by agitators.
Assignment paperwork details officers and their assignments, as well as incident reports filed by them that identify them.
SWAT (which is a police unit), DEA, and other ABC-titled law enforcement wear masks for the same reason to avoid the retards who seek to harm or harass them or their families.
Protestors, agitators, and citizens in general cannot receive such paperwork due to the actions of idiots.

Masked members of a bureaucracy are easily identified due to paperwork, and the funny part is that in states that seek to make any enforcement unmask have the most masked citizens committing crimes while masked, and they refuse to make it illegal for those criminals who have no identifying paperwork.

Here's a little advice I learned from Sir Henry here in PG: if you don't want none dont start none.
If you want to fight law enforcement with a car or while toting a faulty gun dont get upset when those actions have reactions you may not like.

How is him being shot understandable? Another officer had his gun in their hand when he was shot, essentially Pretti's gun was no longer near him so he would not have been able to use it even if he wanted to. I think when a case like Alex Pretti gets so much media attention then they probably can't not identify the officer.

[Meliva]

Thank you for answering my question-so you admit that my advice is sound and is the best course of action-I don't know why you argued against it in the first place if you didn't have a better alternative. You don't fight law enforcement on the street-you don't argue with them-you don't debate with them if what they are doing is wrong or not-you just comply and fight it in court-you can ask someone to record it, you can ask for names and badge numbers, and do other things but ultimately, don't fight them. If they want to take you into custody, you're likely going to be taken into custody-or dead. Fighting them just makes it worse.