Gun discussion

[Stan Rogers]

In defense of a GP MD, they would be the best person to get an opinion especially if they been treating someone for depression. Many people who are being treated as a first line measure is by a family doctor . We mustn't forget that suicide, which contributes heavily to the overall death toll by firearms, would be also considered a form of mental illness.
Would it not be prudent for a MD to report the issue if they feel there is a risk ?

[Mack]

General pratice doctors should not be able to determine anyones mental state, they do not have the knowlage to do so..

That would be close to the same idea of the nurse diagnosing illneses

[Stan Rogers]

General pratice doctors should not be able to determine anyones mental state, they do not have the knowlage to do so..

That would be close to the same idea of the nurse diagnosing illneses

Aye, that may be however, how many scripts does a GP write each year for anti depressants ? If you give them the power to treat any one but the most severe cases, you have to also hang the responsibility on them to access someones likely hood to commit suicide.

[Dmanwuzhere]

General pratice doctors should not be able to determine anyones mental state, they do not have the knowlage to do so..

That would be close to the same idea of the nurse diagnosing illneses

Aye, that may be however, how many scripts does a GP write each year for antidepressants? If you give them the power to treat anyone but the most severe cases, you have to also hang the responsibility on them to access someone's likely hood to commit suicide.

I do not know where one could draw the line with patient confidentiality and participate in this behavior. Then you have the personal politics of the doctor as well.
It's not an easy task when you talk preventative constitution breaking. Next you could lock up a certain religion for potential bombing or certain ethnicities for potential crime and of course we would need to lock up all with certain privileges to be fair.
While that was a bit inflammatory each infraction against the constitution makes the next one easier.
I do not know of a real way to deter handgun or rifle murders or suicides but I am certain had they never been invented we would be discussing some other weapon used outside of it's purpose.
Ill will is normally perceived in action I will never put a band aid on before I am cut as it makes no sense and iI will not blame the knife maker for my whittling mishap I wont need congress to ban all whittling because well others enjoy it, and its not their fault that I mishandled the knife.

[Most Lee Harmless]

Medical practitioners are obliged to report a variety of illnesses and injuries to the authorities : from certain sexually transmitted diseases to gunshot wounds : doctor/patient confidentiality has always been limited : no doctor can conceal evidence or knowledge of a crime, nor fail to act on any evidence that a crime may be committed in future by a patient.

Logically, the objection makes little sense as we are happy for doctors to rule on medical suitability to obtain a pilots license and fly, to obtain a commercial vehicle license and drive : we would be stunned to hear a doctor could not stop another performing brain surgery whilst suffering from epilepsy on grounds of patient confidentiality, could not report a case of child abuse or report an alcoholic pilot for the same reasons.

It also disregards the general training any doctor receives before specialising in any particular field. There is a damn good reason its takes so long to qualify : they have to cover it all, including mental health issues.

[Dmanwuzhere]

Medical practitioners are obliged to report a variety of illnesses and injuries to the authorities : from certain sexually transmitted diseases to gunshot wounds : doctor/patient confidentiality has always been limited : no doctor can conceal evidence or knowledge of a crime, nor fail to act on any evidence that a crime may be committed in future by a patient.

Logically, the objection makes little sense as we are happy for doctors to rule on medical suitability to obtain a pilots license and fly, to obtain a commercial vehicle license and drive : we would be stunned to hear a doctor could not stop another performing brain surgery whilst suffering from epilepsy on grounds of patient confidentiality, could not report a case of child abuse or report an alcoholic pilot for the same reasons.

It also disregards the general training any doctor receives before specialising in any particular field. There is a damn good reason its takes so long to qualify : they have to cover it all, including mental health issues.

Everything you mentioned is a voluntary action of the patient relinquishing his rights for a ruling. I would be stunned to hear a brain surgeon was performed on by another surgeon who somehow knew he was epileptic and had been doing it for years with no problem.
Child abuse and alcoholic pilots would have nothing to do with a Dr exam.
As for specializing in a field if it is not mental health the psychology classes are general by nature. Nurses have the same psychology classes unless of course you are referring to someone pursuing a Masters or multiple Doctorates degrees in which case I will say he's better trained.
Regardless of any law passed I will have guns and ammo in mass quantities, not because I wish to go postal but because I like them.
If I choose to disregard others rights and shoot everybody then if I am not killed can I have all the other gun owners stand in my stead for the trial?
If not then they in that same regard should not be punished by Congress for my actions.

[Jack Teach]

Oi

[Stan Rogers]

If I choose to disregard others rights and shoot everybody then if I am not killed can I have all the other gun owners stand in my stead for the trial?
If not then they in that same regard should not be punished by Congress for my actions.

I'm also a multiple gun owner but don't be calling me to stand on trial in your place. Call your Doc who has been treating you for the last five years for your paranoid behaviour and could not do anything to prevent you from downing a quart of whiskey, grabbing your thunder stick and going out taking out as many people as you can before you go down.
It makes it easier to see the consequences when you have actually been in that situation.
It also makes it easier when the "after action", postmortem is done regarding the incident and how it could have been prevented.
For the record, this actually happened to me. Fortunately, no one was killed in my situation but it was tense just the same.
Nobody sleeps well when they know old "whats his name" from down the road is going to have another one of his "nights" and could put a bullet through your home while your sleeping in bed.
The mass killing problem by firearms is a problem only a few countries suffer from despite the prevalence of guns in many other countries around the world. If that question why this phenomenon could be answered and solved, the firearm problem that no one has would go away on its own.

[Dmanwuzhere]

Lol, I saw a doctor about 3 or 4 months ago when someone's knife got close enough to see my skin separate a bit and again when I had a toothache, I am quite curious why those who own guns see a doctor regular enough to be pinpointed as unstable. I also have not seen a shrink my whole entire adult life as I believe therapy is overrated and overcharged but if you think doctors are the answer for gun control lol the hillbillies will always have guns as we like to pretend we are invincible and are our own doctors as often as we can stand the pain. But my point is quite simply there is no doctor out there who could qualify me as unstable as normally our discussion is sewn up wounds or mumbled half phrases due to pain swelling and the wounded pride for needing his services lol.

[sXs]

5th Principle of Patrolling.