The non telling tales of a un descript trader of goods.

[Dmanwuzhere]

lol you proceed to insinuate the second amendment is for a word for word interpretation... ok

Second Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


what part of the second amendment needs the approval of foreigners or determined by low or high crime rates...lol

with your intended snark i just send it back at ya and say the amendment is what it is fook off and convo be damned

as for cherry picking stats... if states outlaw open carrying of guns and they have and they produce the most crime i guess guns cant be a deterrent and you will then need to divide states in the category of gun toting states vs outlawed states to determine the effectiveness of the gun being openly carried

[Most Lee Harmless]

Uhuh. So, your argument is now that it dont matter if you are right or wrong, foreigners can just fook off. I applaud your intellectual rigour. You are a credit to your education.

[Dmanwuzhere]

i just utilized your argument which ends the conversation

in trying to have an end all quote on the 2nd amendment you simply discounted anything else said
which means anything said outside of
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
is not relevant and bears no discussion...





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[Most Lee Harmless]

Nope... you blather on about freedoms and rights regarding gun ownership (i.e. 2nd Amendment rights) giving a better outcome regarding criminal behaviour yet produce no evidence that it actually does.

Comparing statistics between four nations, inc the USA and Australia shows no significant difference in per capita rates of sexual offences. It does, however, show significant differences in the murder rates, with the gun-owning nation showing a five-fold increase. Overall crime, measured by incarceration rate shows the USA to be globally the highest. After all, if there is less crime due to the deterent effect of widespread gun ownership then what are all those perps being arrested and convicted for?

There is no evidence supporting your notion that hgun ownership reduces crime, just cherry-picked percentages regarding crime in one state of Australia compared to some notional 'here' in the USA. Why not compare South Bronx to Alice Springs, it is no more relevant nor insightful.

Again, this is not me making an argument against gun ownership, it just you making a pretty useless argument for it. It is a belief that widespread gun ownership will deter crime when there is no real evidence that it does, except in limited and predictable cases : nobody will burgle a house with the owner standing outside it carrying a shotgun. They wont burgle a house with two hefty Rottweilers in the yard either, or a reasonable effective security system with moderately effective locks, cameras and alarms.

Given that a Harvard study suggests that there are some 250,000 crimes, annually in the USA, which result in some 350,000 firearms being stolen... then who is being 'deterred' ?

[Dmanwuzhere]

the argument that gun free is less crime but is leading in several areas above the united states seems a bit odd when does less guns equal less crime .... i mean besides rape they lead the list on several crimes above the usa ....

gun free just means easy victims to the depraved sickos running amuck raping and killing which is all the justification for guns that i need
500k to 3m defensive uses vs how many murders? yeah ill take the gun any day

that papaw defending his goods from a dumb donkey was a crime thwarted.... actually 4 crimes as there were 4 people charged... but thats not a 2nd amendment win... to a jackazz

Suicide rates > Ages 25-34 18.7 per 100,000 people
Ranked 7th. 22% more than United States

happy gun free zones


you are more than welcome to link the study from harvard they are currently not on my list of unbiased reviews but if they link their sources and they are credible it will be easy to check.... lol as for guns being stolen .... what... you thought criminals could buy them from gun shops

[Most Lee Harmless]

If being a gunowner did not stop them from being robbed of said gun... where is the deterence value?

I have not argued that less gun ownership equals less crime. You have argued that more gun ownership equals less crime : I don't see much evidence of that above the anecdotal level, the 'Duh! It's obvious!' from the 'everybody knows that!' School of Fact-checking. Gun ownership may provide a level of emotional security, a comforter against percieved threat but, statistically, it does not seem to deter crime. After all, if over 2 million perps are in jail at any one time, who is out there committing the daily roster of crimes? That is an awful lot of criminally minded folk who have not been detered by the prospect of being confronted by an armed victim.

As the nation with the highest personal gun ownership globally, then, by your own argument, crime in the USA should be amongst the lowest globally : it is not. So. Care to explain why?

I don't know why the pro-gun lobby persists in this line of justification : it is simple-minded scare tactics. Owning and shooting a firearm should be fun, a sporting activity, be it target or game. If you buy a fishing rod nobody expects you to feed the world with your catchs, just own your gun, enjoy time at the range or in the woods and stop seeing it as a sacred cure for all the worlds ills.

[Dmanwuzhere]

sure thing ... ive already done that... as i said divide the states outlawed guns vs gun toting
chicago is four times as high as the average murder rate for the whole country..... non gun toting






those are last months intake for the prison population
i am a pretty callous guy but shooting junkies for defiling their lungs veins and livers isnt my cup of tea
i could see my way to shooting violators trespassing our borders as some nations do... ammo is still cheaper than feeding clothing and putting them up in prison and a hell of a deterrent for future violaters

[Most Lee Harmless]

And yet the overall US murder rate, per capita, is over four times that of Australia, so... how is the higher rate of gun ownership keeping US citizens safer?

It is not. You may think it does, you may hope it does, you may wish it does and you may believe it should. But it doesn't. So, plainly there is a flaw in the reasoning that wider gun ownership gives that particular benefit.

[Dmanwuzhere]

uh huh i understand your disease icantreadwhatsinfrontofmyface keeps you from seeing that if two methods are used then you would need to get stats from those two categories of stats compiled for each method. which would give the stats of gun toting states vs banned guns states. if you were even a tad resourceful and did the research you could compile such a list to prove me right or wrong... i mean you would have to tune out your news networks of choice and pull through real data .... oh yeah ... you couldnt do that .... pffft get er did ole boy cheerio hip hip and all that

otherwise you arent looking to see the difference you just succumb to your disease and keep saying total stats combined.

im good either way ... as your opinions do not change anything and your disease is your own problem

[Most Lee Harmless]

It is simple : if widespread gun ownership keeps you safer than being in an area of restricted gun ownership, then overall crime rates between the two areas should reflect that. The interior differences are not relevant. If the USA is safer than Australia, due to its gun practices, why are you four times more likely to be murdered there?

One then has to consider that there are other factors than gun prevalence at work otherwise the claimed benefits of gun ownership do not exist or, being generous, are suppressing an even greater propensity to commit murder such that it is 'only' four times greater than amongst Australians.