same old stan

[Dmanwuzhere]

This is from the cdc website
Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against paralytic polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.
I pulled polio because it was real popular before the vaccine

then I went to get their numbers on the covid shot
funny they don't want to list the same type of effectiveness statement
the fact with covid vaccines are they s**k as a vaccine you quote 70 percent I'm not going to go search for studies that are without funding in some way related to the vaccine and ill take your studies word for it
70 percent is in no way the kind of numbers needed relating to a govt mandated drug

your peer review stretches from January 1 to May 14, 2021 lol enough time has passed to have a far better study
to be fair that was during the lie about everything stage

[Lachlan]

This is from the cdc website
Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against paralytic polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.
I pulled polio because it was real popular before the vaccine

then I went to get their numbers on the covid shot
funny they don't want to list the same type of effectiveness statement
the fact with covid vaccines are they s**k as a vaccine you quote 70 percent I'm not going to go search for studies that are without funding in some way related to the vaccine and ill take your studies word for it
70 percent is in no way the kind of numbers needed relating to a govt mandated drug

your peer review stretches from January 1 to May 14, 2021 lol enough time has passed to have a far better study
to be fair that was during the lie about everything stage

They have numbers on the effectiveness of all the vaccines which is why I sent it to you
Attached is a study done a little later. As with most vaccines the effectiveness was high initially and then over the course of a few hundred days would drop down to 70% to 80% effectiveness and this is attributed mainly to the omicron variant mutation which lowered the effectiveness of the boosters because they were designed to counter the previous mutations. This is the same basis that if you had gotten Covid once and then survived you pretty much had a period of a few months up to about half a year where you pretty much could not get Covid (unless you have like really bad luck) because you are fully immune to it for a time and then that gradually dropped off.

You like to use polio as a comparison. The first Polio vaccines came out in the 50's and 60's. I would hope that a disease which had vaccines first developed for it 60-70 years ago would have a significantly higher effectiveness than a vaccine 1 or 2 years old. I bet if they are still making Covid vaccines in 2030 they will be better than what was around during Covid. Covid was an unprecedented medical crisis which is why shots only 70-80% effective were accepted when ordinarily they may not have been. Even the not so good vaccines still made your immune system better at fighting Covid.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanr ... 13-2600(23)00015-2/fulltext

[Lachlan]

This is from the cdc website
Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against paralytic polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.
I pulled polio because it was real popular before the vaccine

then I went to get their numbers on the covid shot
funny they don't want to list the same type of effectiveness statement
the fact with covid vaccines are they s**k as a vaccine you quote 70 percent I'm not going to go search for studies that are without funding in some way related to the vaccine and ill take your studies word for it
70 percent is in no way the kind of numbers needed relating to a govt mandated drug

your peer review stretches from January 1 to May 14, 2021 lol enough time has passed to have a far better study
to be fair that was during the lie about everything stage

Additionally, these researchers did not receive funding for anything. A literature review is pretty much just looking at what research is out there and analyzing and gathering the information. That is then presented in a research article like what you just read, peer reviewed by other researchers and experts and then put in a scientific journal and then published.

Yes PubMed is a website owned by the United States Government but it is one of the most extensive, free websites with peer reviewed scientific articles but I'm assuming you don't have access to peer reviewed studies that are not free like I do because I can access what journals and similar websites my university has paid for once I put in my credentials.

[Dmanwuzhere]

You mean the same government pushing the drug in question
the same government whose political members bought tons of Moderna stock before the vaccine rolled out
the same government whose political members that bought that stock and mandated the vaccine, creating a 12 billion dollar profit for Moderna

Yeah, that government seems to have nothing to gain and would be totally honest with the folks forced to take drugs

You hopefully know that until Pfizer utilized several patented Moderna processes, Moderna stood to be the major moneymaker from the pandemic
But due to the infringements, Pfizer came out in the lead

Peer review during the pandemic was crazy. Doctors who spoke against the vaccine or gave advice on other methods were removed from social platforms, and in some cases, the govt threatened license removal.
So peer review doesn't quite mean what it should when you remove dissenting voices and control which peers speak

[Mack]

Well then maybe you should make vaccines fit the definition of the word and not change the definition so you can call it a vaccine.
The fact that you believe the COVID shot is a vaccine is hilarious
People who get the polio or chicken pox vaccine are all but minutely guaranteed not to have either
But with the COVID shot, you are almost at a 50/50 chance of whether you will get it anyway

the number of politicians that invested in the companies providing the vaccine should explain why it's even called a vaccine

Is this a response to me or someone else because nowhere in my previous message was I talking about the Covid vaccine.

Anyway you are only partially right. Some vaccines were rushed through production and were only around 50% effective. Those were chinese, russian and I think indian made vaccines none of which you guys had. I have attached a peer reviewed study that includes most of the vaccines that were used during the pandemic. It shows most were 70% effective or above.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9552389/

You act like you know but you don't know I'm sorry for the people that blindly follow your words

[Lachlan]

Well then maybe you should make vaccines fit the definition of the word and not change the definition so you can call it a vaccine.
The fact that you believe the COVID shot is a vaccine is hilarious
People who get the polio or chicken pox vaccine are all but minutely guaranteed not to have either
But with the COVID shot, you are almost at a 50/50 chance of whether you will get it anyway

the number of politicians that invested in the companies providing the vaccine should explain why it's even called a vaccine

Is this a response to me or someone else because nowhere in my previous message was I talking about the Covid vaccine.

Anyway you are only partially right. Some vaccines were rushed through production and were only around 50% effective. Those were chinese, russian and I think indian made vaccines none of which you guys had. I have attached a peer reviewed study that includes most of the vaccines that were used during the pandemic. It shows most were 70% effective or above.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9552389/

You act like you know but you don't know I'm sorry for the people that blindly follow your words

Lol and I'm sorry you say things like this that does not even make sense and think that would persuade people to take your side
I provide evidence for my opinion, you just like to say stupid things like I'm sorry you blindly follow what the government tells you lol

[Lachlan]

You mean the same government pushing the drug in question
the same government whose political members bought tons of Moderna stock before the vaccine rolled out
the same government whose political members that bought that stock and mandated the vaccine, creating a 12 billion dollar profit for Moderna

Yeah, that government seems to have nothing to gain and would be totally honest with the folks forced to take drugs

You hopefully know that until Pfizer utilized several patented Moderna processes, Moderna stood to be the major moneymaker from the pandemic
But due to the infringements, Pfizer came out in the lead

Peer review during the pandemic was crazy. Doctors who spoke against the vaccine or gave advice on other methods were removed from social platforms, and in some cases, the govt threatened license removal.
So peer review doesn't quite mean what it should when you remove dissenting voices and control which peers speak

You do realise the first article I sent you was from an Indian scientific journal not an american one and the second one from Lancet which for some reason when I copy and paste the link does not work is from Lancet a british journal.
Show me what your evidence is because for all I know you are just spouting your own opinion with nothing to back it up. I reckon even if I found a peer reviewed article from this year or last year you would still say to me you don't believe it and will claim the article has ties to big pharma or corrupt politicians or something.

[Lil Lola]

Uh there is one problem with that Lachlan. we won’t found out the full disclosure for another 10 years because most of the articles and studies are funded by big pharma. It will be ofc an interdependent study from some up and coming young doctor. There is a wealth of information to be found out. However this one epidemic is unique in that big pharma decided to band together but they still found a way to profit.

[Lil Lola]

But for the life of me what the heck happened with the monkey pox? I am guessing that was easily contained. That totally came out of left field.

[Dmanwuzhere]

Let's follow the trail to your indian journal.

Soiza RL, Scicluna C, Thomson is the man cited in the indian journal review

Who does he work for

University of amberdeen

There ya go. There are no ties to anyone that would have a motive to push an agenda, right?

except for one little detail

Big pharma bought out the University of Amberdeens spinout company hamptogene Its purchaser is listed as Wyeth Pharmaceuticals..................... Oh my

But then you say Well, they didn't create a vaccine, so the chance of polluted narratives is slim

except for one detail

Pfizer purchased Wyeth Pharmaceuticals

So now you can bet Pfizer certainly isn't going to let an employee print nothing but fluff for them

You want proof for the things I say, but I grow tired of doing your work for you
Unlike you, I don't just Google favorable phrases and copy and paste
I spend time searching nonpartisan questions to find the partisan connections


So you directed me to a peer-reviewed article on Pfizer by Pfizer