same old stan

[Lil Lola]

ah I see where the confusion came from. You're talking about how some folks do things to abuse animals that are not part of the job. yeah, some workers will do things they are not supposed to it's sad. I don't think they're hired and told to abuse the animals, just feed them this, kill them with the stunner, etc.

I thought you were saying that the factories beat the cows as part of the process and it's a standard practice. Still messed up some workers abuse them though.

My dad used to work at a meat packing plant. I think he said his job was to hose the meat trucks for the most part. Told me he would take 3 showers a day and still stink to high hell. It's dirty, nasty work.

as for ethics, I ultimately care first and foremost for the priority of humanity and it's interests. I think it's a bit backwards for me to care and want to help farm animals, when there are humans who need help as well. And unless we build something that can generate food like the replicator from star trek or that device from cloudy with a chance of meatballs, I don't see us being able to get rid of the meat industry.

Just now able to reply..Mel..in the article it was stated that 4 people were fired. Elsewhere I read 1 was arrested and made bail but picked up by ICE… according to investigators the problem was widespread. apparently top level execs were terminated it. Talk about a fall out..the owner of this dairy farm a year later at some meeting says her biggest regret was not having enough mental resources available after watching some of the videos. Well how about she not ignore the obvious. They lost a lot of cows..wouldn’t that wave a red flag?? She gotta wonder why all these cows dying at a young age? Is that really normal? Seems like she didn’t care enough until shit came out.


Also no I do not think it’s common practice at farms where it is encouraged but if there is something where there is a widespread problem like at this particular farm..holy crap..shut it down!
There are always a few bad seeds.

[Meliva]

you're the one trying to blame the deaths that have been happening from poverty since more or less the beginning on capitalism. That's like trying to blame all the people who died in war on nuclear weapons. Folks have died from poverty long before capitalism was even thought of, let alone implemented.

What you want, isn't possible. There is always going to be imbalance, there is always going to be poverty, and there is always going to be people who exploit the system to enrich themselves at the expense of others. Every young idealist like you seem to think it's possible to make this grand utopia, and every time, they are proven wrong.

Would it be nice if every person had a nice house, plenty of food, clothes and poverty doesn't exist? Sure would. While we're dreaming and playing the I wish game, let's throw in unicorns that crap ice cream, super advanced robo servants that do all the chores, and a large harem of folks each person finds attractive to serve their every whim who are there of their own will! What other wishes you wanna throw in the bucket champ? Won't be happening but I suppose it's nice to dream

[Meliva]

ah I see where the confusion came from. You're talking about how some folks do things to abuse animals that are not part of the job. yeah, some workers will do things they are not supposed to it's sad. I don't think they're hired and told to abuse the animals, just feed them this, kill them with the stunner, etc.

I thought you were saying that the factories beat the cows as part of the process and it's a standard practice. Still messed up some workers abuse them though.

My dad used to work at a meat packing plant. I think he said his job was to hose the meat trucks for the most part. Told me he would take 3 showers a day and still stink to high hell. It's dirty, nasty work.

as for ethics, I ultimately care first and foremost for the priority of humanity and it's interests. I think it's a bit backwards for me to care and want to help farm animals, when there are humans who need help as well. And unless we build something that can generate food like the replicator from star trek or that device from cloudy with a chance of meatballs, I don't see us being able to get rid of the meat industry.

Just now able to reply..Mel..in the article it was stated that 4 people were fired. Elsewhere I read 1 was arrested and made bail but picked up by ICE… according to investigators the problem was widespread. apparently top level execs were terminated it. Talk about a fall out..the owner of this dairy farm a year later at some meeting says her biggest regret was not having enough mental resources available after watching some of the videos. Well how about she not ignore the obvious. They lost a lot of cows..wouldn’t that wave a red flag?? She gotta wonder why all these cows dying at a young age? Is that really normal? Seems like she didn’t care enough until shit came out.

I hear that folks working in butcher work tend to suffer mental conditions, not sure what term to call it. But they start to, go numb to the violence and bloodshed. Some probably start doing vile crap too. Would probably be good if we could fully automate the industry, or at least the bloodiest and nastiest parts of it.

Owner probably didn't care until it impacted them.

[Leo]

you're the one trying to blame the deaths that have been happening from poverty since more or less the beginning on capitalism. That's like trying to blame all the people who died in war on nuclear weapons. Folks have died from poverty long before capitalism was even thought of, let alone implemented.

What you want, isn't possible. There is always going to be imbalance, there is always going to be poverty, and there is always going to be people who exploit the system to enrich themselves at the expense of others. Every young idealist like you seem to think it's possible to make this grand utopia, and every time, they are proven wrong.

Would it be nice if every person had a nice house, plenty of food, clothes and poverty doesn't exist? Sure would. While we're dreaming and playing the I wish game, let's throw in unicorns that crap ice cream, super advanced robo servants that do all the chores, and a large harem of folks each person finds attractive to serve their every whim who are there of their own will! What other wishes you wanna throw in the bucket champ? Won't be happening but I suppose it's nice to dream

It's possible, it's been done. Finland just ended homeless. Yes they ended it. And guess what, the taxpayers aren't complaining. The money was used well and everyone is happy, because the homeless now have a place to live so they're out of everyone's way. And the results were great too, because once they had a place to live most of them chose to clean up and join the workforce. Norway has universal basic income, which covers necessities like food and water and shelter. Most countries already have universal healthcare, but here in the US we don't have it because apparently we prefer paying billion dollar corporations that will just deny our claims and raise our premiums to make more money. Anyone from these countries can correct me if I'm wrong.

You're right Mel, we will never fully solve poverty or hunger and many of the problems. But there are proven methods to deal with them and make them obsolete and time and time again capitalism gets in the way of implementing them, because someone could make money from not having those programs. That's why we don't have universal healthcare, because of lobbying from healthcare companies. That's why we don't have healthy food readily available, because we have lobbying from junk food companies and all the members of Congress hold stock in those companies as well. It's a combination of greed, corruption, and evil, that make our capitalist system the perfect vehicle for destruction. Not only that, but we have a 2 party system that time and time again fails the working class and each party constantly blames the other one for all their issues.

[Lil Lola]

Yep Mel I agree. I don’t think the owner cares until it effected them.

also I do not like the crazy activists doing gotchas and damning everyone to hell instead of “hey do you know this is happening to your livestock?”.

Trauma effects the product doesn’t it?

[Lachlan]

ah I see where the confusion came from. You're talking about how some folks do things to abuse animals that are not part of the job. yeah, some workers will do things they are not supposed to it's sad. I don't think they're hired and told to abuse the animals, just feed them this, kill them with the stunner, etc.

I thought you were saying that the factories beat the cows as part of the process and it's a standard practice. Still messed up some workers abuse them though.

My dad used to work at a meat packing plant. I think he said his job was to hose the meat trucks for the most part. Told me he would take 3 showers a day and still stink to high hell. It's dirty, nasty work.

as for ethics, I ultimately care first and foremost for the priority of humanity and it's interests. I think it's a bit backwards for me to care and want to help farm animals, when there are humans who need help as well. And unless we build something that can generate food like the replicator from star trek or that device from cloudy with a chance of meatballs, I don't see us being able to get rid of the meat industry.

Just now able to reply..Mel..in the article it was stated that 4 people were fired. Elsewhere I read 1 was arrested and made bail but picked up by ICE… according to investigators the problem was widespread. apparently top level execs were terminated it. Talk about a fall out..the owner of this dairy farm a year later at some meeting says her biggest regret was not having enough mental resources available after watching some of the videos. Well how about she not ignore the obvious. They lost a lot of cows..wouldn’t that wave a red flag?? She gotta wonder why all these cows dying at a young age? Is that really normal? Seems like she didn’t care enough until shit came out.

I hear that folks working in butcher work tend to suffer mental conditions, not sure what term to call it. But they start to, go numb to the violence and bloodshed. Some probably start doing vile crap too. Would probably be good if we could fully automate the industry, or at least the bloodiest and nastiest parts of it.

Owner probably didn't care until it impacted them.

It's just called mental health problems or mental trauma so I mean you were pretty much 90% there with the terminology.

[ChaIbaud]

I've heard Lola has more than a few of those

[Meliva]

I was trying to think of if I knew of a specific term or name for the type of mental health problems they have, not sure if there is one. There might be. There's a ton of different types for different problems and traumas. Stockholm, PTSD, depression, etc. It might just be labelled something generic though as just mental trauma, or a combo of something like PTSD and depression.



Also Leo. I don't know how many times I gotta tell you man. Google is free. Took my 5 seconds to find this about Finland.

While homelessness had been declining for 11 years, recent statistics show an increase in 2024, possibly due to rising costs of living and cuts to social security.
Number of Homeless People:
In 2023, there were over 3,400 homeless individuals who lived alone. In 2021, 4,396 people were experiencing homelessness, with 1,318 experiencing long-term homelessness.

So no, they didn't end it. They are doing a DAMN good job fighting it I'll give them that, but they sure as hell didn't end it.

[Lil Lola]

I've heard Lola has more than a few of those

Oh yeah well Stan says I do. So that must be true.

[Leo]

According to Helsinki Times: "According to the ARA report, rising rents, cuts to social benefits, and reductions in funding for housing advice services are key drivers behind the increase in homelessness.

Housing advice services, which help prevent evictions, have faced budget cuts, even as demand has surged. In Helsinki, requests for housing advice increased by nearly 80% over the past year."

So my info was out of date as of February, my apologies. Before the government funding cuts, homelessness was around 1000 people in Finland. Which puts it at about .015% of the population. Actually compared to the US which sits at just under .3% (and rising) they were doing quite good. Once their budget for these programs got cut homelessness went back up. Another thing to mention is that the average person in the US is also only one paycheck away from becoming homeless, while this is not the case in Finland at all. I also would consider a number like the one they had before the budget cuts to be figuratively "ending" homelessness, especially since every year it's been going down. Our homelessness may also be a lot harder to deal with than theirs, I'm not sure if they have the same level of drug addiction among homeless people as we do. It's a multiple layer issue of course, one that is very hard to solve and that's probably why no one has fully done it yet. But pharmacuetical companies can easily be blamed for the opioid crisis which is directly linked to an increase in homeless, overdose and death in otherwise healthy people. They pushed for their new and ultra powerful opioids to be prescribed for most pain-related issues, subsequently getting 1/3 of patients hooked on them. Then those patients would either find doctors to keep writing them prescriptions or would turn to street versions of the same drugs to feed their addictions. It's essentially a repeat of the heroin epidemic which can be traced back once again to pharmacuetical companies, after the creation of semi-synthetic opioids such as vicodin. Pharmacuetical companies are literally drug dealers with official documentation.