Fantasy Draft IX - Official Chit Chat

[Most Lee Harmless]

Yep.

I know the player has logged in within the last seven days.

I know they are paying down bank loans.

I know they are paying due ship taxes and upkeep.

I know there is a valid reason that their activity levels are lesser than in previous years.

Lack of involvement in nation affairs is not a proof of inactivity.

Lots of active players have a minimal involvement with their nations.

Lots of active players rarely skirmish.

Lots of active players don't run plantations.

Lots of active players don't grant loans or take them up.

Lots of active players do not raid.

Lots of active players do not run fishing fleets.

Lots of active players do not run salvage fleets.

Lots of active players do not post in the forums.

Lots of active players do not use Slack.

Lots of active players do not chat in the guild forums.

Thus must we assume that all those lots of active players are, in fact, inactive?

[DezNutz]

I'm sure Shadowood would have no problem with you running the draft next time around. And when you do, you can alter the activity rule in any way you think is fair.

[William one eye]

In my opinion.

I feel if the player has been logging in, this counts as active.

If the player however is not visually active outside their guild than i would question the value of their strength on the team.
That is however that is a choice of the captain.

Sebena is the type to go from nearly invisible to highly active should an activity present itself that he is interested in.

He is more than a log in, manage accounts, log out.
Player, even if that is his current activity level.

If i were a captain i would consider him a viable and qualtiy choice.

All this said i think its fair for draft managers to question aand investingate players activity if thet are lacking visible presecnce

[Admiral Nelson]

Lots. Lots. Lots. Lots.

Thats a lot of lots, you must be the lots man?

Back in my day, lots was plenty and plenty was lots.

[Lil Lola]

I think the whole point of the rule for active players is to get this forum game moving with out it being stalled while waiting for a player to log in. The same thing was done for Cudeggs. So if your gonna complain for Sebena then you should complain for Cudeggs.

Also the isn’t this Edition all about the rookies and the newbs for their participation to interact with the vets to keep the rookies and newbs more involved for player retention? To play longer then a week or day and not be totally bored?

[Most Lee Harmless]

I agree, William : an account is active if the player logs in. I think it is not the place of others to then decide that a lack of any particular actions somehow negates that log-in.

Our level of activity can and does change : we all find that, at times, we just do not have the time or energy to do more than housekeep. At other times we might have a few hours to do more visible activity.

In my view, the account is active if the player is logging in. As William wisely states, it is for the Team Captain to choose if the recent level and type of activity warrants choosing that player.

[DezNutz]

If you use the bare minimum of logging to define who is active, then you have to assume that everyone is an active player. This is especially applicable to players who aren't in guilds, as you have no idea when the last time they logged in. So it would be unfair to say that Valar, SGT Blue, or any number of players are inactive, because no one knows when they last logged in, and as Danik has said, it isn't anyone's business. They could have logged in, done absolutely nothing, and logged out. But that would be a login and thus be an active player which would make them eligible for selection. But who would know. Thus you can't use logging in as the sole determination of who is active.

To be a fair rule, the standard for activity must be able to be applied to all, as such the bare minimum of logging in can't be the sole factor in determining activity.

[Argo]

Teams are looking good and strong - you Rookies are doing a great job with your selections .. Congrats.

[Most Lee Harmless]

Logging in is a simplistic standard, Dez. But defining activity by the amount of 'public actions' is equally simplistic in a game in which many acts have no public footprint.

You could play 24/7 in this game and, apart from non-public footprints like guild forums, memberlists, etc, you could have no public presence at all.

You mailed me to enquire if Seb was active : as a guildmate I could confirm he had logged in a few days previously.

It was you who then defined he was inactive because his public footprint was lacking evidence of your definition of 'active' play.

I do not know all that he did when logged in, nor do you. I do know he could have spent many hours housekeeping. He could have started a build in his hideout, undertaken a tech, moved funds between banks (actually, I know he did do that), placed bids or sales on the ship, credit or card markets, improved a plantation, purchased or sold goods on the port or resource markets, farmed some NPC fleets, cast some voodoo, bought credits, bought turns, built ships, read and/or replied to mail... that is just off the top of my head.

Yet... you decide he must be inactive because you saw nothing. Now... that is a simplistic definition.

[Lil Lola]

Logging in is a simplistic standard, Dez. But defining activity by the amount of 'public actions' is equally simplistic in a game in which many acts have no public footprint.

You could play 24/7 in this game and, apart from non-public footprints like guild forums, memberlists, etc, you could have no public presence at all.

You mailed me to enquire if Seb was active : as a guildmate I could confirm he had logged in a few days previously.

It was you who then defined he was inactive because his public footprint was lacking evidence of your definition of 'active' play.

I do not know all that he did when logged in, nor do you. I do know he could have spent many hours housekeeping. He could have started a build in his hideout, undertaken a tech, moved funds between banks (actually, I know he did do that), placed bids or sales on the ship, credit or card markets, improved a plantation, purchased or sold goods on the port or resource markets, farmed some NPC fleets, cast some voodoo, bought credits, bought turns, built ships, read and/or replied to mail... that is just off the top of my head.

Yet... you decide he must be inactive because you saw nothing. Now... that is a simplistic definition.

But in the rules it says that activity must be apparent.