(Uncommon) Blue Collar Connections

[Soliel]

Blue Collar Connections:
Acquire a random ship in the current port.

Everything past here uses tentative/arbitrary values and groupings.
Cost: 18 turns

"Common" Ship (Howker-Galleon) 50%
"Uncommon" Ship (L Fluyt - Brigantine) 30%
"Rare" Ship (LMM - Frigate) 15%
"Very Rare" Ship (Flag Galleon - SotL) 5%

I think it'd be interesting if these ships came from the pool of ships sold to the shipwright (downgraded to level 1/6 att), but I don't see a difference between that and creating new ones beyond the ship journal.

There could also be a second check after the rarity (or just a single rate for each ship instead of categorizing them, though that would be hard to display on the card). For example, you got a "Very Rare" draw. Instead of being 33%/33%/33%, it could be 50% FG, 30% LF, 20% SotL. That'd make the single rate for getting a FG 50% of 5%, or 2.5%. Like I said above, all these figures are more or less arbitrary and would of course need to be tweaked for fair payouts without being broken.

Maybe even a super low chance to get a MoW to get more in circulation. If any of the MoW-centric suggestions end up getting implemented, I'm sure the demand for them will rise.

[Leo the Conqueror]

What would the chances of getting a MoW be? 0.01%?

[Soliel]

What would the chances of getting a MoW be? 0.01%?

If they were in the circulation, I'd say probably something like 0.1% total. 0.01% would be 1/10,000 casts, which is a bit much imo.

[Leo the Conqueror]

No it's not a bit much if you consider what we are dealing with.

This is an uncommon card. Uncommon cards aren't all that uncommon (believe it or not). It's a normal thing for good players to have 50-100 uncommon cards in their inventory. And MoWs are rare. Very rare.

So say that 10 "very good players" decided to cast all of their Blue collar connections cards, here are the odds.

The odds of 1 person finding a MoW would be 100/10,000 or 1 in 100.
The odds of 1 of 2 people finding a MoW would be 200/10,000 or 1 in 50
The odds of 1 of 3 people finding a MoW would be 300/10,000 or 1 in 33
The odds of 1 of 4 people finding a Mow would be 400/10,000 or 1 in 25
The odds of 1 in 5 people finding a MoW would be 500/10,000 or 1 in 20

So you see?

I could see maybe the chances being 0.05% being fair though.

[Soliel]

What about the cost of the card though? At 0.01%, if the card cost 10 creds (not unreasonable for an uncommon, see purify, seren, CD, connie), then the 500 cards would cost 5,000 credits (1.95b by today's rates) for a mere 5% chance to get it.
I believe the price would reflect the rate since the market allows people to decide what they pay. To accumulate 500, or even 100, uncommons naturally without buying would take quite a while as well.
Of course, if all this fails, the simple fix would be the up the rarity.

This is all conversation based on a theoretical aside of a card that hasn't even been critiqued by any experienced players yet, though, so I'd rather focus on the core of it if you don't mind.

[PFH]

Sounds like tidal wave

[DezNutz]

Is this taking ships from the ship market?

[Soliel]

It is atmittedly similar to Tidal Wave Clock- the main difference being the available pool of ships. While TW draws from sunk and unfleeted ships, this would either draw from ships sold to the shipwright (with a fixed rate not based on quantity available) or created by the system, the idea being you're essentially bribing a shipwright.

Dez, it wasn't my intention to take from the ship market, but I think that might be a very interesting addition. Maybe a chance to take one from there if it hasn't been bid on for 30 days, or if the lister hasn't been online for 30 days? It could double purpose to help clear clutter there.
That said- overall, I don't think there should be any risk with player markets. No, it wouldn't take ships from the ship market.

[DezNutz]

Insufficient number of turns to cast.

You have a 1 in 2 chance to obtain a ship that costs considerably more turns to buy from the shipwright than the 18 turns to cast.

[Leo the Conqueror]

Insufficient number of turns to cast.

You have a 1 in 2 chance to obtain a ship that costs considerably more turns to buy from the shipwright than the 18 turns to cast.

So? Tidal wave only costs 3 turns, and the least a ship costs to buy from the shipwright is 8. So I don't see your point.